Upgraded to some micro z4s and then got these to slim dow my rack and replace my previous stopper pro set (size 3-11). I do find I place fewer nuts, opting for the ease of cams in both placement and cleaning, but pairing these with micro z4s provides a much better range of placements. They are also lighter and cheaper than pricey z4 offsets. I always carry nuts and these are the best Iâ€™ve used. Great option for someone who does a lot of c2c missions and wants to go lighter. Only complaint, with the rack had a few smaller sizes. Someone who places a lot of nuts or doesnâ€™t have micro cams will likely want the traditional rack also.